2nd reply

The ET Hypothesis

I think i grasp what you mean by your ID definition. But that is the same of believing in god has the "rational agent" behind life.

Plus evolution is clearly an event where random events occur and originate NOVEL information.

This means that after abiogenesis no "rational agent" had any possible actions. Unless you mean there were interventions in during evolution.

no evidence for that also.

btw... you do have the bias of being a believer. how do you cope with your religion and your claims of evolution not being a "god act"?

Design As An Explanation

"certain features of the universe and biosphere are better explained by the actions of a rational agent than purely undirected processes."

like what?

" it is implausible that certain protein primary structures can arise through Darwinian mechanisms"

so? your personal incredulity doesn't mean you ASSUME a more unlikely cause like supernatural intervention.

Also doesn't mean evolution doesn't happen if some proteins were really "tweaked" by external ET intelligence.

"it is implausible that certain protein primary structures can arise through Darwinian mechanisms"

no, it is perfectly possible that you are ignorant.

" directed enzyme evolution techniques, i.e. intelligent design, can engineer these proteins"

how?

" I therefore conclude" based upon assumtions...

1) it has an explanation for any "x" you choose to pick

2) i am yet to see a mechanism of ID being presented here.

3) therefore you are not presenting a conclusion but an exercise of imaginary thinking.

" Ribosomal engineering techniques"

there are changes inside the ribosomes due to polimorphisms and random mutations. meaning: even if were engineered a BILLION years of evolution changed a lot of those "ET machines".

" How could "longer and more complex proteins ?"

it's called: MOLECULAR BONDS. read about it. pick a chemistry book, for example: Atkins.

" What is the origin of the complex metabolic pathways involving glycolysis?"

Molecular biology of the cell, 4th edition. glycolysis evolution: purely natural and more than one possibility. all natural.

" Why do some viruses use RNA, some use single strand DNA, and some use double strand DNA for their heritable material? "

evolution. virus might have arisen after life started. the type of DNA or RNA plus membranes probably determined the different virus types.

Lastly...virus are debatable in terms of them being considered "life" or not.

"Why is this protein or this system or this anatomical part used instead of this other one?"

You are born with a genotype, a phenotype grows and its selected. there's no reason but pure physical interactions.

A Case Of Bad Probabilities?

"there is indeed virtually no chance of protein primary structures evolving through Darwinian mechanisms"

bullshit

" Since there is a goal, it is extremely improbable for certain protein primary structures to evolve through Darwinian mechanisms."

bullshit, the darwinian mechanisms might be precisely the WAY for such logic of yours to exist.

plus your "ultimate evolution" is purely assumptious.

lastly: you live inside personal incredulity. those proteins are even being replicated in lab experiments.

" royal flush being obtained? Next to nil"

not nill. and in trillions upon trillions of molecules and a BILLION years, that change gets close to 1. therefore we exist.

Amino Acids And The Genetic Code

" certain features of the biosphere are more adequately explained by the intelligent design proposition."

like what?

" I believe this is precisely the case regarding amino acids and the genetic code. "

we see aminoacids in space, we see nucleotides in space. we see membranes being formed naturally. All the building blocks are there. billion years and molecular interactions result in the physical possibility: LIFE.

you failed to present any other option except an imaginary mechanism where someone "built" life. A thing that wouldn't even result in rejecting evolution theory.

" Darwinian synthesis offers no explanation for the origin of this peculiar feature"

it's called physics. The structures were there with a certain properties and by random chance or some sort of physical more likely possibility, not yet known well, that originated like that.

or you can believe in grey man dressed in pink dresses designing a versace model of a cell...whatever you feel more likely...LOL

your external agent creating life isn't a possible hypothesis that would devoid Evolution theory of any value. for the 20th time: how life started is independent of evolution being a fact.

The Case Of Nylonase

" I fail to realize how this applies directly to this conversation on protein evolution."

it means that random mutations and natural selection ARE what causes life diversity. not a supernatural agent.

Answering Critiques Of My Previous Post

" The potential to evolve the functionality of synthesizing nylon was already present, as it did not require natural selection to ‘browse’ through an endless array of non-beneficial protein primary structures."

wrong by your part. the "potentiaL"? no. there was a RANDOM mutation that introduced A NOVEL trait in one population. ALL the others that didn't evolve such trait kept being of smaller number, the individuals with no use for nylonase eventually got extinct because the nylonase ones spread all over the "environemnt" they were living.

ffs... you didn't even read the papers...

"200,000 years ago homo sapiens appeared on earth. "

best estimates: between 300000 to 150000 years.

or it could have been 178923 years ago. who knows for sure?

" I hold that homo sapiens was the last act of design the intelligent designer did. Why do I hold to such a proposition?"

it's called: brain damaged inside your skull...

" linear curve imposed upon phylogeny"

no, there isn't.

" definite progression of more unintelligent animals to a more intelligent class of animal."

that's because there is the possibility for that. doesn't mean there wss a supernatural agent.

" Humans are the most intelligent"

lol...why?

I would say it is ants. they are great in number and they keep being more adaptable and more prolific than the entire human specie.

just a tought.

" first products that evolution is supposed to have produced are the least intelligent."

no, the more simple, more like it.

" the most intelligent of all organisms, mankind, would be the last species engineered by the intelligent designer. "

that's pure bullshit. I would say ducks were the last ones! lol...

" it’s possible the intelligent designer is still designing things on earth"

the area 51 hypothesis!

" find plasmids containing insert DNA of zebras for example in the genome of wasps"

maybe a bacteria is infecting both species. or a lab artifact. but hey! supernatural unexistent entities are far more cooler to imagine! lol

" Prions for example, are suspected to not need a way to store heritable traits."

because prions are not even considered life...

" I believe that intelligent design"

you said it all: you only believe.